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Star Trek

I see that star trek is leaving netflix next month. It's frustrating, as I've been watching Enterprise and really enjoying it. I'm not a fan of the casting of the captain, but some of the other cast members, particularly the doctor, are very good, and the episodes are well written. Seriously it's some of the best Trek; I wish I had come to it sooner.

I used to like TOS but now find it largely unwatchable due to the outrageous misogyny and truly terrible acting. Nearly all the women in it are childlike dolls, barely able to function or think independently. Of course that was typical of the era in which it was produced, but that doesn't mean it bothers me any less.

As for the new trek shows, best of luck to them and all who enjoy them. I have tried. I'm afraid I find the dialogue ridiculous, the characters tiresome, the effects overdone and the plots generally unimaginative. Hopefully the 1990s shows will be available again in some form soon.
 
We re-watched TNG a few years ago* and still liked it. I never really liked DS9 though (being more a B5 fan when they were both on at the same time) and Voyager was only interesting at times. My wife is a massive Star Trek fan though (especially the expanded universe novels). I enjoyed the first two seasons of Enterprise but the change in emphasis at the start of season 3 put me off and I've not watched any more. While Discovery just didn't sit right with me. A fault on my part most likely, but I couldn't get my head around the fact that this ship was in service at the same time as Enterprise. And when it jumped into the future, I jumped ship. I've not watched any of the other new Trek shows and only watched the movies because of my wife (still dislike that they made Kirk a captain in the new movies just because they couldn't work out another way to get him from ensign to captain other than actually earning it through service like the rest of the Federation officers).

* Actually my Trakt account shows that we watched it in 2018! So much for "a few years ago"!
 
I am really enjoying STNW Season 2
 
dpmcalister said:
While Discovery just didn't sit right with me. A fault on my part most likely, but I couldn't get my head around the fact that this ship was in service at the same time as Enterprise.
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It wasn't. Discovery was set just a few years before TOS - before Pike had his accident. Enterprise was set decades earlier. I guess the huge time jump was to fix the gaping plot hole the ship was far more sophisticated than even the Enterprise-D!

Talking of which, despite watching it when it was first broadcast, I'd almost completely forgot about Enterprise! I liked the premise and the first couple of seasons were great, but I think by the third season it had gone off the boil for me.
 
Sorry, I’m referring to the TOS ship Enterprise rather than the series with regards to Discovery and Enterprise being in service at the same time.
 
I am also deeply impressed that I really enjoyed the novelty episodes as well as the darker ones.
I never have liked Lower Decks but I loved the crossover.
The musical episode was inspired, great fun, and managed to use pseudo science to justify a grand finale.
 
I think the Strange New Worlds update to the Enterprise set feels believable and echoes the vibes of the original.
 
Dom said:
I think the Strange New Worlds update to the Enterprise set feels believable and echoes the vibes of the original.
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Agreed. Did Modiphius put anything out for it?
 
They've got the PDF out for the 23rd century book (which is TOS / SNW and I suspect Discovery). Need to read this over the holidays.
 
Having watched all seasons of Star Trek New Worlds I enjoyed it a lot. However ... I think it did get a little shark jumpy by the end.
Loved all the characters.
 
I am watching Star Trek Enterprise and I have to say I am enjoying it a lot. Lots of good SF nuggets.
 
However.. is it time to beam out?
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Star Trek instilled in me many of the same values that are taught in houses of worship across the world, but in my faith, there is no God to judge or punish me—I learned how to rely on my own moral compass and inner strength. Last year, Skydance Media bought my church.
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One eventually starts to understand why necromancy is frowned upon.
 
I've just had the 23rd Century Guide arrive for STA, which seems to be a nice canter through the period that interests me most.

The only Star Trek since TOS that has ever engaged me in a sustained way has been Strange New Worlds. I feel it has some of the energy and attitude of the original. I'll watch the final 16 episodes (series 4 and 5) and I suspect that's me done for now.

I also don't really see anything in the RPG I'm wanting now. I have 2e, which I will use if I run again, and the 23d Century Guide. I sold all the other physical stuff except Captain's Log and Utopia Planitia (which I kept for gearhead reasons), and I have a pile of PDFs from the Bundle of Holding/Humble Bundle.
 
I watched the first two episodes of Star Trek: Starfleet Academy and was left feeling uninspired and unimpressed. Like Strange New Worlds, I feel it's trying too hard. We have reoccurring characters from past series, trying to prop up new characters, who I seem to have very little interest in. To me, I feel like Star Trek franchise is now just going through the motions to exist.
 
I think there's still a huge potential for good well-written Trek. I've been watching Enterprise the last few weeks and would happily watch another five seasons of it, or something similar.
 
I recently rewatched the TNG episode Disaster from season five. It has some great character interactions, drama and dialogue, even if Worf is given some lousy lines to deliver. It was a period in TNG when the writers hadn’t quite worked out who Worf really was yet. However, Star Trek today seems to concentrate on huge special effect spectacles and doubling down on the silliness, whilst bringing back old characters to prop up the new characters. I think they should go back to concentrating on character interactions and the drama, rather than big, bold end of the universe threats.
 
Nathan said:
I watched the first two episodes of Star Trek: Starfleet Academy and was left feeling uninspired and unimpressed. Like Strange New Worlds, I feel it's trying too hard. We have reoccurring characters from past series, trying to prop up new characters, who I seem to have very little interest in. To me, I feel like Star Trek franchise is now just going through the motions to exist.
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Star Trek: Starfleet Academy doesn't feel like Star Trek.

For me, Star Trek has always been about disciplined, competent people working together to make the world a better place in an optimistic version of tomorrow where people are free to choose their own paths and poverty and bigotry have been largely overcome.

Starfleet Academy, by contrast, appears to centre on a two individuals, one hyper-competent individual who actively resists working with others (Caleb Mir), and one who is so unprofessional its astounding any organisation she's associated with doesn't dissolve into absolute chaos (Chancellor Nahla Ake). This currently doesn’t feel like an ensemble production - it feels like a two person show. And its all set within a distinctly dystopian universe.

It also appears to have taken the worst aspects of JJ Aabrams visuals and pushes them to eleven, then combines them with Christopher Nolan–esque sound mixing. I don’t usually have an issue with Holly Hunter, but here she sounds as though she’s speaking with a mouthful of marbles, while the rest of the cast seem actively encouraged to talk over one another. And there are some odd casting choices. Gina Yashere’s casting as Lura Thok is baffling. The role demands someone genuinely intimidating, and she simply isn’t.

And the suspension of disbelief required is immense. I have no issue with the technology but trying to accept the way diplomacy is handled in the second episode, or the astounding lack of professionalism throughout all three episodes so far, especially obvious in the third episode, stretches my ability to accept what’s happening on screen.

Having said this - three episodes is not enough to judge a series by. And there are some good things. Tig Notaro and Robert Picardo are as usual great. Bella Shepard as Genesis Lythe shows a lot of promise. There’s still time for it to find its footing. I just hope they realise their issues and shift.

As an aside, I'm going to point out that the wall of past heroes from episode one was hilarious. Every single past hero of the Federation served on a ship called Enterprise, Voyager, Cerritos, Discovery or Deep Space 9 !!
 
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